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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby E Pericoloso Sporgersi » Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:17 pm

purely by erratic memory :

Book ? Passage
XXX ? Dag
yyy ? lakewalkers
Whom does XXX speak to ? Whit
aaa ? eat
bbb ? sleep
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby voralfred » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:08 am

E Pericoloso Sporgersi wrote:purely by erratic memory :

Book ? Passage
XXX ? Dag
yyy ? lakewalkers
Whom does XXX speak to ? Whit
aaa ? eat
bbb ? sleep



Well, well, well....

All the answers concerning the main question are wrong, unfortunately.

But the two verbs are correct, and even in the right order. So you get the bonus !
I'll only update the sherlocks when the main question is found but I won't forget your 1/2 point then !

Since this is a new page, I'll repeat the question for better visibility

"You know," xxx murmured, "good yyy never pass up a chance to eat or sleep. They never know how much they'll be called on to do, before the next chance.”


xxx is the personal pronoun corresponding to the gender of the speaker XXX
yyy is a noun (plural)

Book ?
XXX ?
yyy ?
Whom does XXX speak to ?

Hint: neither XXX nor the person spoken to are yyy, technically, though XXX has been one, earlier. But whether they eat and sleep, or pass the chance, they are still, in practice, among the best yyy around.
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby voralfred » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:38 pm

Oooops :oops: :oops: :oops:
I mistakenly edited this post rather than quoting it, to give a longer quote and more hints. But because of that the date of the page was not changed, and it did not appear as "new".
So I quoted it and repeated it wit a new date, below. And there is no point trying to remember how this post was, before I edited it. It contained more info than the previous one, but less than the next one, so, dear players, just concentrate on the last version below.
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby voralfred » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:01 am

OK, so I give you yyy

XXX slipped within, and closed the door gently. "You know," she murmured, "good soldiers never pass up a chance to eat or sleep. They never know how much they'll be called on to do, before the next chance."

"I'm not hungry." ZZZ too had a folded-in look, as if caught in some trap within herself.

"Want to talk about it?"

She grimaced uncertainly, and moved away from the bed to a settee in the far corner of the room. XXX sat beside her. "Tonight," she said lowly, "was the first time I (see bonus 1)"


So "she" is the personal pronoun corresponding to the gender of the speaker XXX


Book ?
XXX ?
ZZZ (the person XXX speak to) ?
If you answer by memory, you don't have to give XXX and ZZZ exactly as in the text, any unambiguous naming will do.

Hint: neither XXX nor ZZZ are soldiers, technically, though XXX has been a soldier, earlier. But whether they eat and sleep, or pass the chance, they are still, in practice, among the best soldiers around. And the reason they cannot technically be soldiers is that both XXX and ZZZ are female. However, earlier in her life, XXX lived somewhere else, where she could be, and actually was, a soldier. At that time she was single. Later she went to where she is now, and married someone who was indeed a soldier, technically.
At the time of the quote, XXX and ZZZ were in a party of four, the other two being both technically soldiers, (thus male). ZZZ will later marry one of them but the other one is not XXX's husband. But all four were equally (if differently) excellent soldiers, in practice.

Bonus #1 :
What was it that ZZZ did "tonight" for the first time ? Again any unambiguous formulation will do, if you answer by memory.
(I realize that in the quote as it stands, it is not completely obvious that the last "she" refers to ZZZ rather than to XXX that just "sat besides her" but what follows shows it quite clearly)

Bonus #2 :
Why isn't ZZZ hungry (in addition to the answer of Bonus #1, which certainly contributes to this lack of appetite, but does not fully account for it)

Bonus #3
In fact I have slightly simplified things, above. The third member of the party, the one who will marry ZZZ is indeed technically a soldier. But the fourth member, though he has been a soldier earlier, technically, is not exactly one anymore at the time of this dialogue, but only almost. What is the small nuance that makes him not-quite-a-soldier ?

(Bonus #0 has already been found by EPS : the verbs "eat" and "sleep")
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby voralfred » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:31 am

:oops: Once more, I edited instead of quoting, so it did not appear as a new post. So I now quote it, but I don't bother to change back the previous edited one to its previous form (all the "soldier"s were "yyy"s)


OK, so I give you yyy

XXX slipped within, and closed the door gently. "You know," she murmured, "good soldiers never pass up a chance to eat or sleep. They never know how much they'll be called on to do, before the next chance."

"I'm not hungry." ZZZ too had a folded-in look, as if caught in some trap within herself.

"Want to talk about it?"

She grimaced uncertainly, and moved away from the bed to a settee in the far corner of the room. XXX sat beside her. "Tonight," she said lowly, "was the first time I (see bonus 1)"


So "she" is the personal pronoun corresponding to the gender of the speaker XXX


Book ?
XXX ?
ZZZ (the person XXX speak to) ?
If you answer by memory, you don't have to give XXX and ZZZ exactly as in the text, any unambiguous naming will do.

Hint: neither XXX nor ZZZ are soldiers, technically, though XXX has been a soldier, earlier. But whether they eat and sleep, or pass the chance, they are still, in practice, among the best soldiers around. And the reason they cannot technically be soldiers is that both XXX and ZZZ are female. However, earlier in her life, XXX lived somewhere else, where she could be, and actually was, a soldier. At that time she was single. Later she went to where she is now, and married someone who was indeed a soldier, technically.
At the time of the quote, XXX and ZZZ were in a party of four, the other two being both technically soldiers, (thus male). ZZZ will later marry one of them but the other one is not XXX's husband. But all four were equally (if differently) excellent soldiers, in practice.

Bonus #1 :
What was it that ZZZ did "tonight" for the first time ? Again any unambiguous formulation will do, if you answer by memory.
(I realize that in the quote as it stands, it is not completely obvious that the last "she" refers to ZZZ rather than to XXX that just "sat besides her" but what follows shows it quite clearly)

Bonus #2 :
Why isn't ZZZ hungry (in addition to the answer of Bonus #1, which certainly contributes to this lack of appetite, but does not fully account for it)

Bonus #3
In fact I have slightly simplified things, above. The third member of the party, the one who will marry ZZZ is indeed technically a soldier. But the fourth member, though he has been a soldier earlier, technically, is not exactly one anymore at the time of this dialogue, but only almost. What is the small nuance that makes him not-quite-a-soldier ?

(Bonus #0 has already been found by EPS : the verbs "eat" and "sleep")
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby voralfred » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:32 am

Longer quote, and I kill the old bonus #1
the two other bonuses are just renumbered

XXX slipped within, and closed the door gently. "You know," she murmured, "good soldiers never pass up a chance to eat or sleep. They never know how much they'll be called on to do, before the next chance."

"I'm not hungry." ZZZ too had a folded-in look, as if caught in some trap within herself.

"Want to talk about it?"

She grimaced uncertainly, and moved away from the bed to a settee in the far corner of the room. XXX sat beside her. "Tonight," she said lowly, "was the first time I was ever in a real fight."

"You did well. You found your position, you reacted--"

"No." ZZZ made a bitter hand-chopping gesture. "I didn't."

"Oh? It looked good to me."


So "she" is the personal pronoun corresponding to the gender of the speaker XXX


Book ?
XXX ?
ZZZ (the person XXX speak to) ?
If you answer by memory, you don't have to give XXX and ZZZ exactly as in the text, any unambiguous naming will do.

Hint: neither XXX nor ZZZ are soldiers, technically, though XXX has been a soldier, earlier. But whether they eat and sleep, or pass the chance, they are still, in practice, among the best soldiers around. And the reason they cannot technically be soldiers is that both XXX and ZZZ are female. However, earlier in her life, XXX lived somewhere else, where she could be, and actually was, a soldier. At that time she was single. Later she went to where she is now, and married someone who was indeed a soldier, technically.
At the time of the quote, XXX and ZZZ were in a party of four, the other two being both technically soldiers, (thus male). ZZZ will later marry one of them but the other one is not XXX's husband. But all four were equally (if differently) excellent soldiers, in practice.


Bonus #1 :
Why isn't ZZZ hungry, in addition to having been earlier for the first time in a real fight, and the consequences of this fight, which certainly contribute to this lack of appetite, but do not fully account for it ?

Bonus #2 :
In fact I have slightly simplified things, above. The third member of the party, the one who will marry ZZZ is indeed technically a soldier. But the fourth member, though he has been a soldier earlier, technically, is not exactly one anymore at the time of this dialogue, but only almost. What is the small nuance that makes him not-quite-a-soldier ?

(Bonus #0 has already been found by EPS : the verbs "eat" and "sleep")
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby voralfred » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:17 pm

OK, let's call the quote above cold.

It will still bring a full :sherlock: and each of the attached bonus 1/2 :sherlock: indefinitely

Moreover, if someone finds the answer before the answer to my new quote below is found, this one will return to "main" status, the player who finds it will ask the next quote, and my new one below will become a full :sherlock:"bonus", not valid for the next quote.

"At least this should be simpler than (....) Straight-up good guys and bad guys."
"Great," said XXX. "Which are we?"


I have shortened the quote, you don't have to elaborate on the details of the (...) I have hidden
Book ?
Who speaks first ?
XXX ?
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby voralfred » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:07 pm

The previous quote will still bring a full :sherlock: and each of the attached bonus 1/2 :sherlock: indefinitely


"At least this should be simpler than (....) operation, no relatives, no politics, no high finance. Straight-up good guys and bad guys."
"Great," said XXX. "Which are we?"
YYY was still thinking about the answer to that one when the (...).


The quote is still somewhat shortened but I filled in part of what was hidden under (...) before, and I added part of one extra sentence.

Book ?
Who is YYY, who is also the first character to speak ?
XXX ?[/quote]


Bonus : for 1/2 point
YYY speaks of "relatives"
There are two sets of relatives who play an important role in this book. Who are they ?
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby voralfred » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:40 pm

voralfred wrote:The previous quote will still bring a full :sherlock: and each of the attached bonus 1/2 :sherlock: indefinitely



Hmmmm
The previous version of the new quote was a bit misleading. Let me add a few more words
"At least this should be simpler than (....)" he said hopefully. "A purely zzz operation, no relatives, no politics, no high finance. Straight-up good guys and bad guys."
"Great," said XXX. "Which are we?"
YYY was still thinking about the answer to that one when the (...).


The quote is still somewhat shortened but I filled in part of what was hidden under (...) before, and I added part of one extra sentence.

Book ?
Who is YYY, who is also the first character to speak, the hopeful "he" ?
XXX ?


Bonuses and hints, for 1/2 point each

Bonus #1
Find zzz (an adjective)
Bonus #2
YYY speaks of "relatives"
There are two pairs of relatives who play an important role in this book. Who are they ?
One pair includes YYY himself

Here is a very strong extra hint :

YYY's relative is very close genetically to YYY himself.
YYY does not have any genetic relation to the other pair of relatives in the book (which consists of a father and his son)
However, in a very twisted way (and I am using twisted on purpose), YYY's relative could be considered as another son of the father belonging the other pair.
Moreover, in later books of the series, some new form of (rather vague) family connection will form between YYY's relative and the son in the other pair. Two more characters that will only appear in later books will share this family connection.

Bonus #3
Describe this vague family connection, and list all four characters involved in it, YYY's relative, the son of the other pair and the two ones that appear later.

I have erased the previous post and posted this so it appears as a new post but this third version just a small edit from the deleted second version
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby KarenHunt » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:19 pm

Can I play? I'm new here, but I know most of the answer to the newest quote (if I look it up I can get zzz right, if I go by memory I can get the rest of it and make a good stab at zzz.
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby E Pericoloso Sporgersi » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:28 pm

KarenHunt wrote:Can I play? I'm new here, but I know most of the answer to the newest quote (if I look it up I can get zzz right, if I go by memory I can get the rest of it and make a good stab at zzz.

Oh YES! You're highly Weeellcooome! :D

It's quite acceptable if you look it up in a book or e-book, because you have to remember which story in the first place.
Also CAS online or on the notorious CD can be OK, but then ONLY IF you admit it.

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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby KarenHunt » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:29 pm

Ok, I think I know how to play...

Book = Brothers in Arms (the last few sentences of the book)
XXX = Elli Quinn
YYY = Miles Vorkosigan
zzz = military (I'd have to peek to be sure that's the adjective, but it should be pretty close)

The pairs of relatives are:
1. Miles Vorkosigan and his clone-brother Mark
2. Duv Galeni and his father Ser Galen

Connecting Miles to Duv goes thusly: Mark semi-married to Kareen Koudelka, sister of Delia Koudelka, who marries Duv Galeni. (Plus the fact that Ser Galeni is foster-father to Mark, thus making Mark a step-brother to Duv and therefore Miles, who is genetically identical, is sort of a brother to him as well.

That's from memory. I could improve the last paragraph by looking things up in A Civil Campaign.
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby voralfred » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:47 am

So sorry, Karenhunt ! I've been very busy and forgot to check !

Yes, you have everything right !

So 2 and a half points !
And hte next question is yours !

And most important :

:banana: :banana: :banana: Welcome !!!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:

You can also try your chance on my previous question (before or after posting your own question). It is cold in the sense that it won't give the right to post (you already have it) but it stills carries a full point and the two bonuses are also valid for 1/2 each. So you can reach 4 and 1/2 points in all !

Ooops !
I made a mistake, sorry.
In fact, I just realized that I forgot what my own intention was, concerning the third bonus.

You safely have the next quote, plus first and second bonus. I give you a 24 hours exclusivity on the third bonus (you and only you can answer) and after 24 hours as long as noone else answers it , you can still answer it anytime you want.

The "loose family connection" I meant involved four male characters, Mark and Duv indeed but also two more. I'm not removing your third bonus yet, since I am sure you'll find it !


BTW, what is your avatar ? The Zangre ?
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby KarenHunt » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:19 pm

Two parts here:

1. For the previous question, and again entirely from memory:
"XXX slipped within, and closed the door gently. "You know," she murmured, "good soldiers never pass up a chance to eat or sleep. They never know how much they'll be called on to do, before the next chance."

"I'm not hungry." ZZZ too had a folded-in look, as if caught in some trap within herself.

"Want to talk about it?"

She grimaced uncertainly, and moved away from the bed to a settee in the far corner of the room. XXX sat beside her. "Tonight," she said lowly, "was the first time I (see bonus 1)"

XXX = Cordelia Vorkosigan
ZZZ = Drou
Bonus 1: fought in a real fight / used weapon for real
Bonus 2: Drou is feeling bad about having actually killed somebody
Bonus 3: Bothari is not a soldier any more because he was given a medical discharge. However, he is a Vorkosigan Armsman, which is pretty close.


2. What are the limits for this challenge?
a. Material: I assume Lois's book _Sidelines and Essays_ is out, but what about the various short stories? Or the very newest Penric tales, such as Orphans of Raspay? I think I saw at least one question from The Spirit Ring, so I'm guessing it is in...
b. Difficulty/obscurity/famousness: I'm guessing something very short might not be a good pick, though there's a moderately favorite line of mine that might work otherwise. (It's only 4 words long...)
c. Repeating older quotes: I haven't seen all 150 pages, so I can't be sure I won't repeat one of them. Is that ok, or would you prefer I look them over more closely? (I am willing, but it will add some time before I can respond.)

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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby KarenHunt » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:22 pm

That was 3 parts. For symmetry I will add a guess as to the answer to the bonus.

4 men are married or semi-married to Koudelkas and are therefore brothers-in-law:
1. Mark Vorkosigan
2. Duv Galeni
3. Enrique Borgos
4. Dono Vorrutyer
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby voralfred » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:28 pm

Many answers needed. Easiest firsr

KarenHunt wrote:That was 3 parts. For symmetry I will add a guess as to the answer to the bonus.

4 men are married or semi-married to Koudelkas and are therefore brothers-in-law:
1. Mark Vorkosigan
2. Duv Galeni
3. Enrique Borgos
4. Dono Vorrutyer


Yes, that was the answer I expected for the 3rd bonus.

I already granted it (by mistake) but correctly assumed you'd guess it right. So nothing to change.
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby voralfred » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:36 pm

KarenHunt wrote:Two parts here:

1. For the previous question, and again entirely from memory:
"XXX slipped within, and closed the door gently. "You know," she murmured, "good soldiers never pass up a chance to eat or sleep. They never know how much they'll be called on to do, before the next chance."

"I'm not hungry." ZZZ too had a folded-in look, as if caught in some trap within herself.

"Want to talk about it?"

She grimaced uncertainly, and moved away from the bed to a settee in the far corner of the room. XXX sat beside her. "Tonight," she said lowly, "was the first time I (see bonus 1)"

XXX = Cordelia Vorkosigan
ZZZ = Drou
Bonus 1: fought in a real fight / used weapon for real
Bonus 2: Drou is feeling bad about having actually killed somebody
Bonus 3: Bothari is not a soldier any more because he was given a medical discharge. However, he is a Vorkosigan Armsman, which is pretty close.


Main question and bonuses 1 and 3 are OK so already 2 more points
But for Bonus 2 Iasked what was the other reason beyond the answer to bonus 1 (and, maybe, the main reason) for her loss of appetite. Your answer is jsut bonus 1, not what I am waiting for.
I give you 48 hours exclusivity to give me the correct answer. After that, I'll update the sherlocks. Until no other player answers (after 48 hours) you can still answer at any time, I'll re-update the sherlocks, no problem

KarenHunt wrote:2. What are the limits for this challenge?
a. Material: I assume Lois's book _Sidelines and Essays_ is out, but what about the various short stories? Or the very newest Penric tales, such as Orphans of Raspay? I think I saw at least one question from The Spirit Ring, so I'm guessing it is in...
b. Difficulty/obscurity/famousness: I'm guessing something very short might not be a good pick, though there's a moderately favorite line of mine that might work otherwise. (It's only 4 words long...)
c. Repeating older quotes: I haven't seen all 150 pages, so I can't be sure I won't repeat one of them. Is that ok, or would you prefer I look them over more closely? (I am willing, but it will add some time before I can respond.)

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c) You are certainly not supposed to read all 150 pages. However there is a pretty good "advanced search" engine. Typing a few keywords of the question (or answer) you have in mind combined with "Lois McMaster Bujold" as sub-forum should usually eliminate most duplicates. But if your keywords somehow miss the old question, no big deal. We are all here for fun, a duplicate will harm noone !

a) Indeed, no non-fiction; also excluded are the stories that only appear in the collection 'Dreamweaver Dilemma' since few people own it. Of course "Mountains of Mourning" which also appears in many other places is allowed.
So Spirit Ring, Vorkosiverse, The Sharing Knife and the "World of five Gods" except maybe the most recent.
Normally we vote at unanimity to include new books. I am pretty sure we already allowed "Flowers of Vashnoi". Anyway, it is old enough. I use my discretionary power as creator of this thread to include it.
The only ones we heae not yet explicitly allowed if I am right are "Knife Children" and "Orphans of Raspay"
I am in favour of both.

I understand you agree with "Orphans of Raspay". What about the other one ?

Since besides you and me, only E Pericoloso Sporgersi Caroline Tredez and JKCade have played recently, I'll ask them by PM and wait for a few days for their answer. So please don't use those in your first question, till I hear from them (or give up waiting for an answer)

b) In the first formulation of the question there are no restriction on obscurity. So please yourself and ask your 4 word quote.
Then check for answers. If more than a week goes by, give a hint, or a longer quote. Thsi can be done by small increments, giving more and more hints every week or so. There are cases I gave 4 versions of my question ! At long last I decided to call "cold" the one you just answered now, Drou and Cordelia, though I had expected it to be an easy one, so you see, it is difficult to know what is easy and what is hard !

By all means, ask your 4 words question, even if it is in Orphans, after all ! Have fun !
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby KarenHunt » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:43 pm

All right, then I'll try the quote (and no it isn't from Orphans or Knife Children or the very old short stories, so it is safe):

XXX said nothing, yyy.

yyy is an adverb: what is it?
Who is XXX?
To whom is XXX not speaking?

Bonus 1: What is the reason XXX has responded in this way?
Bonus 2: Who did XXX learn to converse in this manner from?
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby KarenHunt » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:45 pm

And 2nd try for why Drou is not hungry: She thinks she's a bad-guard because she hesitated to kill and she thinks that's why Padma Vorpatril ended up dead.

And: I'm fine with including Flowers of Vashnoi and Knife Children and The Orphans of Raspay.

(As a note, for the older short stories: There is an alternate source for them for anyone so inclined: Proto Zoa, an ebook published by Spectrum. I'm not particularly advocating for inclusion of them in this game, just thought it was worth mentioning.)
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby voralfred » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:18 pm

Re: Bonus 2
No, your second try is still around Bonus 1. Whether because she killed or because she missed, it is stil this first real battle.
The other reason is totally different. And it is in fact the main reason.

Re: Proto Zoa
I just asked again JCKade, Caroline and EPS about the stories in that non-print edition.
I personally am in favor, but I son't want to make a decison alone


Note that there is still one piece of fiction in the (paper) collection "Dreamweaver Dilemma" that is absent from "Proto Zoa", a Sherlock Homes pastiche "The Adventure of the Lady on the Embankment", whose main character is a redhaired very energetic woman called.... Cordelia Naismith, though the action is in victorian London. So that one should stay out, right ?

I am eager to see your 4 words question :hot: :hot: :hot:
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Re: LMB Quote Game

Postby voralfred » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:07 am

Ooooops ! Sorry ! I missed your question, in the middle of all that discussion. I'm quoting it here to improve visibility !


KarenHunt wrote:All right, then I'll try the quote (and no it isn't from Orphans or Knife Children or the very old short stories, so it is safe):

XXX said nothing, yyy.

yyy is an adverb: what is it?
Who is XXX?
To whom is XXX not speaking?

Bonus 1: What is the reason XXX has responded in this way?
Bonus 2: Who did XXX learn to converse in this manner from?
Human is as human does....Animals don't weep, Nine

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