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Multiple Hugo and Nebula Award winning author Lois McMaster Bujold is creator of the Miles Vorkosigan universe and the world of Chalion.

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SPetty wrote:(...) Perhaps I should self impose the 5 day limit even when it wasn't just me. I just noticed how many of the last ones were my guesses. :oops:
Well, I've been wondering recently. The 5-days exclusion rule is supposed to keep the game from becoming a 2-players one. And it works for that. But it does not keep the game from becoming a 3-persons one: lately, except for one correct answer by Blackwing, James, you and I were the only ones in three weeks. A five day limit may be excessive, since it does not make a difference between the last person to answer and the one before. But what about a three days limit for the question after the one after the one a player has asked? Thus

A asks , B answers.
B asks, A cannot answer for 5 days.
- if C answers, the first three days after C asks a new question, neither B nor A can answer; then for 2 more days, A can, but not yet B.
- if after 5 days, A answers, then of course A can never answer her/his own question and only the old rule applies, B has to wait 5 days from the time A posts a new question.

This would be simpler than counting how long since one own's question one has to wait, which is not important if a lot of different players are involved: such a rule would slow down the game uselessly. But it would give three days to other players to break a three-players game as it has turned recently (we could make it four days instead of three, but there should still be some amount of time where A can answer C's question but B cannot).

Do we add this 3-days exclusion for the questio after the question after?
Which means in the present case that I would have to wait three days after you ask your question, (of course your answer is correct though the etiquette is to wait for James to confirm) but there would still be two more days for me to answer before James can. I will self-impose it to me this time. (Only three days! Beware! unless there is a concensus to make it four. I really think it should not be five, that would contradict the entire idea of the five-days rule itself.)
Edit: Ahem.... it took me so long to write this that James has confirmed in the meantime, and this post changed the page, to boot... You can post a new one any time, Suzette!
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I think a 3 day-regardless rule is fair. I'll adhere to that from now on, just to make sure everyone gets a fair chance at the new quote (haven't seen either Reede or risi lately. Hope they're doing ok). I agree that 5 is too long. The game tends to stall if all the active players are waiting around for an extended amount of time.


Anyway, next quote is:
"It's... just a spasm. It will pass off in a few minutes. I'm all right now. Go on."
What book?
Who is speaking?
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Suzette, I think you should not wait too long before adding a hint. Do it while I am still under my self-imposed rule not to answer, that I'll extend to 4 days from your first posting (eh! I won't let James answer if I guess correctly with a hint - so far, I am clueless. I tried two places, but neither were correct.)
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But Ghost complains when you give hints too soon. :P I'm kind of tempted to post a useless hint, like, "it's not from the Sharing Knife series." At least, I don't recall any spasms in the SK series. :) I suppose an expansion is in order:
After an awkward minute xxx asked, "Should I get someone for your m'lord? I should return to my duties."
"It's... just a spasm. It will pass off in a few minutes. I'm all right now. Go on." The pain was dwindling, leaving him feeling flushed and strange.
What book?
Who is having spasms?

(xxx is not a name, but rather a job title that would make the quote too easy.)
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SPetty wrote:But Ghost complains when you give hints too soon. :P I'm kind of tempted to post a useless hint, like, "it's not from the Sharing Knife series." At least, I don't recall any spasms in the SK series. :) I suppose an expansion is in order:
After an awkward minute xxx asked, "Should I get someone for your m'lord? I should return to my duties."
"It's... just a spasm. It will pass off in a few minutes. I'm all right now. Go on." The pain was dwindling, leaving him feeling flushed and strange.
What book?
Who is having spasms?

(xxx is not a name, but rather a job title that would make the quote too easy.)

Hmmmm this seems to confirm my first hunch about the book and the spastic character... but the exact place I looked was not the right one. I'll have to comb maybe a larger part of that book... and anyway wait a bit longer (at least four days since the original post, I self-imposed myself)
Ghost may think what he wants, if we wish to attract more players (which I think we should) the quotes should not be too hard. Since it is difficult to know in advance what is hard and what is not, a three days period without a guess is in my opinion the sign of "too hard", hence a hint. Anyway, since the poster posts as much as (s)he wants on the first post, who can tell her/him not to extend the post as early as (s)he wants? Anyone may change one's mind and edit one's post even minutes after posting it to extend it! So if after just a few minutes, why not after a few hours, or one day, or three?
About Reede and risi: Reede is a student, as is Caroline Tredez, who also disappeared after a cometary appearance; it is probable they are just too deeply involved in their studies to have time to play. On the other hand I am worried about risi, I remember she once alluded to her frail health. I do hope she is all right.


Note the use of the semicolon :roll:
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Edit: found it! My first hunch was right about the book and the character. It is just that the exact scene is not the moderately momentous one I first thought, but just "in passing". So eat your heart out, James, you are not going to get this one :twisted: But I'm going to wait a little bit more for some fourth party to join us.
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I think it's Cazaril in "The Curse of Chalion", when dy Jironal haunts him, thus preventing him from telling the royse about the curse when Teidez is about to carry out his misplaced notion of a heroic deed. He's at the foot of a tower, and some servant or soldier, can't remember which, helped him.

And, dear players, I didn't leave a moment, I was just waiting to have a chance to answer, 'cause either it's too easy and someone finds it right away before me, or it's just a little "too hard" and I have to wait for the clue, when someone still beats me. Thanks, VorAlfred, for your noble restrain ^^.

Also, I still haven't read all of the books in English (some only in French), and it's harder to place a quote when it just gives you a feeling of "déjà-vu". This one was one of those.
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Well, yes, indeed, this is the correct scene (though I slightly disagree with your analysis, see my PM). Etiquette says you should still wait for Suzette's OK.

But Suzette, this does confirm my point: if you had waited for 5 days to post a hint, James could have answered it at once (the rule is 5 days, one should not add a longer time upon oneself) so if he chanced to log in before Caroline had logged in, well that was another chance she'd have lost. No, against Ghost's opinion, I maintain the hint should come before the 5 days have passed, and in case of a hint, the previous winner (not the one bound by the 5 days, the one before that, me in the present case) should wait at least one extra day after the hint to give someone else the time to log in and answer.

It is a question of luck. I remembered recently I was online when a quote was posted. I recognized it at once, spent a few minutes to pick up the book to check it and aswered within a few minutes. Now I regret having done so. Well, once in a while is OK, but if this happens too often other players can't win and there is no fun. We want many players to participate, not just a carousel James, you and me over and over.
I'm still worried about risi, though.
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You are, indeed, correct, Caroline! Feel free to post the next quote.


Regarding difficulty of quotes, I try not to pick anything less than a sentence, but I also try to pick something potentially ambiguous (for example, both Caz and Miles have had spasms. I went looking for something interesting in Curse of Chalion because we've been doing a lot of Miles lately). I still think it ought to be at least a little of a challenge [lately, we seem to be generating the vast majority of the Sherlocks, but I'm not sure whether it's a matter of more players paying attention (responding to posts, posting the next quote promptly), or if the quotes are too easy. I know Sherlocks are pretty much just bragging rights (not linked to any tangible reward), but I feel more challenging quotes make the game more worthwhile].

It's good to know that Reede is likely at school (I'll think of her as a summer poster from now on), but I hope risi's ok, too. Usually when I worry about online friends, it's unfounded, but every now and then, it's not. :(
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Indeed, with the shorter quote, I did think about Miles after my first failure. My first hunch was Cazaril, but I thought it was just before leaving for his expedition with the dy Gura brothers. When I did not find it there, instead of looking in the same book, I tried Miles, in WA, when he had his bleeding ulcer. And there were many other possibilities.
It was an interesting quote. Of course, the longer one eliminated Miles, Dendarii wouldn't call him "m'lord", and it did not sound like it happened on Barrayar. So it had to be Cazaril, but in a different place.
Hard, ambiguous quotes are the best ones, it gives an early chance to a player that immedialtely recognizes it, but a reasonably early (about 3 days) hint keeps the game more active, and favors having more players.
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I'm not complaining about the difficulty, note, I agree it's more fun if it's not too easy :wink:

Next one :
Well, you'd naturally say that, wouldn't you ?
Who's meaning this ?
Who is "you" ?
What is "that" ?
In which book ?


Hope it's the right length, and all that.

Hum, and one more for a bonus :
"Perhaps she was just waiting to get a word in edgewise"
t'was just too tempting 8)
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I know the second one!!! :D The first one is a little familiar, but I'm not placing it at the moment. (However, I definitely have a waiting period, so I'll just check back in a few days. ) :)
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Unless the bonus is a spoiler for the main quastion, which does not seem to be the case, there is no waiting time for it, because it does not condition the next quote and thus the logic of "no ping-pong", (or "no triangle") does not apply.
So, Suzette, you can answer the bonus right now, though the full 5-days exclusion applies to the main question.
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If you insist. ;)
Caroline Tredez wrote: Hum, and one more for a bonus :
"Perhaps she was just waiting to get a word in edgewise"
t'was just too tempting 8)

Book: A Civil Campaign
Speaker: Mark, talking to Miles about Ekaterin being quiet while Miles was telling her about the the case with Count Vormuir (I think that was his name, the one with the replicator baby farm).
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Correct ^^ I'll post your 1/2 Sherlock once the main quote is found.
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Seems time for a little more :
**** sat back with a sort of flounce; she didn't voice it, but her face said it for her: Well, you'd naturally say that, wouldn't you? #### and ¤¤¤¤ said nothing, but they seemed to be listening hard.
**** is a name, so is ¤¤¤¤, #### is a noun.
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I can't find my copy of "Spirit Ring" so just a shot in the dark

Book: Spirit Ring
Fiametta is thinking this
You= Abbot Montreale
that= she is too young (or just: she is female) and should not try any magic

I understand that the hint is just for help, and you are not asking who are **** (well, Fiametta of course ), ¤¤¤¤ (Abbot Montreale? or someone else?), #### (the Abbot? or some other noun?)
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Naw, it's somewhere in TSK. Nice try, though :wink:
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Caroline Tredez wrote:Naw,
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Ok, book is "Passage", TSK3 : someone for the rest ?
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I haven't read it yet! :cry:
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"Well, you'd naturally say that, wouldn't you?"


Who's meaning this ? Clover, Fawn's sister-in-law.
Who is "you" ? Dag.
What is "that" ? At supper at Fawn's house, the various family members are recounting thier versions of stories of the malice event in Raintree. Fletch's version has it that there was no malice attack, but the Lakewalker's had attacked the farmers instead, to which Dag replied, "No".
In which book ? The Sharing Knife, Passage, Book III.
Mama and Nattie are the ones listening hard.

Great quote, without your hints I'd have never found it.

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Ah, see, that's the only SK book I have, so I figured it was in one of the other two, and didn't bother to look. If I had all three, I might have been combing the books for it. Congrats, James (once it's confirmed, of course)!
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Yeah, it was quite vague, wasn't it ^^ Correct, JKCade, you're up.
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Xxx, cowed by some ancient habit, went from surly to whiney. "I have a headache."
Who is Xxx?
Who is Xxx speaking to?
Who else is in the vicinity?
And, for something completly different, what is Xxx dressed in?

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JKCade wrote:
Xxx, cowed by some ancient habit, went from surly to whiney. "I have a headache."
Who is Xxx?
Who is Xxx speaking to?
Who else is in the vicinity?
And, for something completly different, what is Xxx dressed in?

James

Well, the thing about the headache, it is almost a joke... "Not tonight, darling,..."
Except that no female character of LMB's would ever use such a lame excuse...

So back to the drawing board.
A surly.... young boy?
I tried Nikki, at breakfast, trying to avoid going to school. Nix.

Then it occured to me:

Curse of Chalion
Teidez speaking to Nan dy Vrit
Cazaril and Iselle are present, as well as Teidez' "secretary-tutor" and probably some more servants, this is not quite explicit.
And true to form, Teidez is in a nightgown....
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